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archangels ghosts and Bigfoot oh my it's

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just another night for Supernatural

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girls real stories real answers to

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life's biggest supernatural mysteries

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and now for another exciting interview

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with Errol experts in this world and

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others here's your host paranormal

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researcher Patricia Baker on the one the

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welcome everybody to supernatural Girls

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I'm your host Patricia Baker I am here

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with my co-host PK it's fish appointment

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you're so funny

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Tucson well we are freezing freezing

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freezing oh well we've just had a very

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exciting half an hour haven't we oh I'll

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thrill-a-minute

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we have had planned a very special guest

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on whitley strieber to talk about his

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new book and the supernatural and also

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communion one of my favorite most creepy

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movies ever however he might have been

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abducted again because we can't find him

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anywhere

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so he's supposed to do sound check with

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us at 7:00 we can't get a hold of them

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our incredible producer is gonna try to

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track him down with his best detective

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but anyways we'll do our best for

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everybody and if it doesn't work out

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we're gonna play a repeat show so we're

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gonna give it a little while and see if

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Whitley is returned by the aliens and if

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not we'll take it from there

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yes Olly miss pique with your beautiful

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just makes it so much more glamorous yes

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what's going on with the numbers well

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you know what what's really strange is

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we are in that Universal two year which

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we're all dealing with which deals with

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sensitivity creativity but it also deals

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with some stories being told you know

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that know a to can sometimes tell a bit

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of a tale or two and today happens to be

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a two day as well as the two year and

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we're in a four month which deals with

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work details and all that kind of thing

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but our detail just got blown up out of

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the water today because the harder we

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tried to put everything together

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the aliens came and took our guests on

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how a Bombay so I know it I gave you a

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really good build up I know you know

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said how great he was and now he leaves

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us standing at the altar like the

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rejected abandoned bride what can we say

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if it was the blue man that took him the

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blue man made it might have taken him

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out I don't know that's right well you

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know Lucy if Joe has blue Blues etc

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today oh my we're feeling bad feeling it

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separated and alone and rejected and

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neglected all that fun stuff

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Oh God so well designed that so because

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I'm asking that our our weather of 77

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degrees today almost 80 I'm sailing now

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I am so jealous as you know I think I

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contracted that horrible flu that was

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going around I went to the hospital yeah

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it's terrorists deadly for some people

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and thank God I'm still here but I was

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kind of on the edge and you know it's

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one of those things and I think more

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than most germ-ridden places in the

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world are grocery stores oh god yes

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those charts yeah I'm terrible and so I

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went to the grocery store I had my

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gloves on because it was cold and I

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picked up supplies thank God I did but I

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it started and let me tell you what this

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stuff is vicious real bad real bad and I

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think this is bacterial from the get-go

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these people are dying because this is a

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bacterial ambush and it just takes over

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very quickly and I my opinion only I'm

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to have this and I don't usually get

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stick so this was this was a bad

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surprise and I was down to the count I

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was in my PJs for four days and you

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of how you feel so you had to feel

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the other books that we have because we

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have so many wonderful authors that are

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really wanting to be on the show so I

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was just hunkered down and today I

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actually got up got dressed and ate food

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food so do not do more of I do I do but

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it's time to put those masks on and

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plastic gloves if you're in a warm

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climate and really protect yourself that

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stuff is this very difficult to avoid it

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everywhere that is for sure

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that is for sure yeah the hospitals are

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preferring that people not go to the

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hospitals because they're overloaded and

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they have no way of taking care of it

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and they say you do better off if they

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keep you at home as opposed to putting

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you in the hospital because it's

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difficult to take care of you yeah see I

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don't know you know what they can do

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anyways because by the time they figure

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out it's a bacterial infection that's

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usually too late and these people or

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debt so it's all bad all the way around

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the throwing up and such as it that so

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many of them are going through and

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they're dehydrating on top of it and

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they can't keep anything down and

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there's nothing they can take so so they

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have to be ID'd oh well and you know but

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George that this feels manufactured this

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progression of a flu virus this is

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something a little bit more than that

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has to make you wonder a little dusting

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and cleaning coming in from God knows

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where yeah because it's it none of its

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normal it hit too hard too fast and the

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way it's growing back and forth some of

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the states that there are basically two

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lock them because of this so the apples

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have been closed yep and I'm thinking

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back when we were talking last week

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about different things that have taken

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place and how things come back

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didn't we reboot review themselves over

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again we were talking about was 250 some

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years ago there was the plague that had

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in Europe well we're going through we

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we are going through similar things

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where we've got health issues from

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an Adele yeah some of these areas we

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were talking about before re-emerging

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talking about the solar eclipse and such

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how it brings about something those at

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250 53 years later much is a review of

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what happened back then and we're seeing

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some of the same things take place well

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so many people have it so many people

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are dying from it so many people are

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passing it around because they don't

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coughing in everybody's faces and

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big problem I don't know why people when

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they have this go out and why stay home

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everybody if you have something nasty

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stores deliver now which is be grateful

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wipe off the handle because some of the

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hands and yes the closet you wipe out

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the handle but have you ever thought of

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YP bought that little seek thing that's

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in front of you that we you stick eggs

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or purses or whatever it because we've

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woke up exactly just and yeah I think

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you're right on the money here with that

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it's like you have to go like full bore

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with a decontamination suit yeah oh I

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always call it a jumpsuit and glamorize

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the fuel's sequins on it so to make you

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feel good yes that's right

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lipstick item ask treat a whole new us

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horrible thing and I'll tell you I was

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so sick from it it was awful

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week because yes yes it is next week we

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back to our audience and I see a message

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from Joe and the message is still trying

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I'm anticipating that he had time wrong

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which means he may possibly try to

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connect at the top of the hour all right

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so we're gonna go to eight o'clock and

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see if he shows up okay very good so

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had him on the show repeatedly and the

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idea is this we are asking you our

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listeners to send us your request for

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prayer whatever it is you know whether

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you need financial stability or health

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from a chronic illness or a terminal

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illness whatever it is or even the flu

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whatever it is that you want prayers for

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unstable and you would like to feel safe

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in your family and you don't send us

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your story via email and then we will

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read it on the air he can name no names

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we mentioned you give us your names but

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we're going to only say the first name

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on the air so people will know that

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prayers for them but basically you will

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once we get the email the whole name

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should be in there so if you'd like so

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that PK can offer you some insight on

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your numbers right but not yet if you're

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naming your whole name out nor will we

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mention your birthdate either because

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some people may just jump to a

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conclusion we're going to take all that

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off the table so there won't be the

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opportunity for that to take rice so you

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can put it in your email but we're not

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gonna announce it right and I'm gonna

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cost so hang on okay she coughs very

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nicely she puts her hand over it very

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gently

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she did the best she could and saw she

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it's good you're not here examinate you

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Joe that's good

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supernatural girls the z.com we have in

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the upper right hand corner my email you

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can just click on it and a little piece

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about the prayer doing just click on it

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send us your story and then we're going

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to start doing this live on the air so

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you're gonna offer some insight via the

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numbers george lugo is going to also

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psychic medium and i'm going to call in

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on the spirit teams to work with and for

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these people and then one at a time

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we're going to pray for them so we

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already have a large group of prayers

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that have been sent in please go ahead

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and send your prayer so we will I

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guarantee you we're going to try to get

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to all of them that we can so ok so

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here's some good news Whitley's actually

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trying to get into the meeting now ok so

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won't have to repeat it show everybody

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but we always have backup because we

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don't want our listeners disappointed

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and we don't want you and me

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disappointed right PK well that's for

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sure I cried very easy she knows that

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yeah I know

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temper tantrums are terrible I push it

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down a hill but anyways this is our

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opportunity to give back to everybody

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and it's a very powerful thing to do

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with prayer the name of the show is when

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two or more are gathered and we're going

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to try to repeat this show at least once

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a month so that that way if your prayer

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doesn't make it in this time we're going

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to try to make everybody's prayers

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happen right time but anyways we we will

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definitely get you the next time so if

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there is an urgency like I know right

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now we have a prayer request for a young

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man

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who is in a coma and his he was in a

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terrible car accident his friends were

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killed and so there's an urgency with

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this obviously and so we will be praying

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for him this coming not tonight but next

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week

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so anyways give it some thought and if

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you know somebody may not be a listener

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to our show regularly but we had we

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really need to hear from the many people

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as possible so that we can get back to

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you so if you also just have questions

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you can feel free to email me I'll

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definitely respond if you have any

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concerns about the prayer group and this

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is not has anything there's nothing to

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do with religion

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definitely this it is to do this between

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us and God that's for whatever God you

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use it doesn't matter that's right

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that's right absolutely so it really

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doesn't matter at all

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it's just about connecting to the source

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and connecting to the spirit so it's a

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very exciting thing for us to do and

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we're again welcoming you to send your

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prayers also we're welcoming you to join

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us if you just want to join us and offer

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your prayers with us you can do that too

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so anyhow this is it's going to be a lot

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of fun and very exciting and we're

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hoping to make a difference for all of

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you and what we found in past prayer

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groups as well is that when you join the

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prayer group and let's say we're praying

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for this young man in the hospital what

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we find happens is everybody gets some

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benefit everybody we see some blessing

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out of being in a group together

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together we could do anything that's

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what it's all about amassing together

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yes wait next week it's going to be

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great very high energy going out to all

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sources yes so and you know there are

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the instructions and I see Whitley might

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be joining us pretty soon I'm waiting

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for a go green light from Joe our

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wonderful producer who actually I'm

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nay's Joe that you did this so he found

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him PK he actually found him I'm very

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proud of joke I know we can't none of us

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ever see Joe Joe's what was the the show

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that used to be where the neighbor was

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behind the fence and you could never see

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his face you could just hear the voice

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well that's our Jill he's on the other

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side he just both let us see him we've

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never seen him for years

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I see Whitley's there so I'm just

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waiting for Joe to say he's uh he's kind

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of fancy microphone it's nicer than ours

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yeah oh well ours will work just as well

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you know he has his own podcast too

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called dreamland oh that's right I

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forgot about that oh yeah yeah he's an

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expert at this you he looks like he's

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very stern about what's taking place

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no-nonsense strictly business I can tell

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so let's see well this is good news

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everybody we are going to be talking

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with Whitley in just a couple minutes

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just as soon as Joe talks them through

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the rest of the instructions to go live

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with you this microphone this video is

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there with us and so I'm going to talk

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to you a little bit about this book and

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Whitley now Whitley is amazing as you

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know as we have said there is their

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heroes in the paranormal and there are

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giants and Whitley's both and he's a

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very courageous guy and of course you

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may remember him from his first New York

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Times bestseller communion union that

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was an amazing book but he has a new

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book and that's what we're talking about

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he has many books but we're gonna be

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talking about the supernatural here it

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is yes right there and okay so what

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Whitley is one of today's most

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influential authors

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of both science fiction and

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extraordinary fact he is best known for

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his groundbreaking memoir communion as

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well as his best-selling novels

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including the wolfin and the hunger many

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of his books have formed the basis for

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popular movies including the day after

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tomorrow

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but communions my favorite yes it was

401
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great yes so anyways we're still waiting

402
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Joe can we hear Whitley and bring him on

403
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let's see okay oh yes can you hear me

404
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yes yes yes it's so nice to meet you I'm

405
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glad that we the Joe caught up with you

406
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it's great I'm sorry about the time

407
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difference confusion mm-hmm that's okay

408
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it's just I'm glad it worked out because

409
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we're so looking forward to talking with

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you tonight on the show it's a very

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exciting book that you wrote the

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supernatural but your story is so unique

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and it took so much courage to write the

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first one communion let's start there

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well it didn't take courage because I

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didn't realize what would happened to me

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I never would have hope no it's just I

418
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just found it quite fascinating I had no

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idea about the existence of a UFO

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community or all these people who were

421
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furiously fighting each other about it I

422
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had no idea that the government had an

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interest in it none of that I had just

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had an interesting and unusual

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experience that I didn't feel could be

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explained and I thought it was very well

427
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worth writing about because it seemed

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rather unique and there as I studied it

429
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I discovered that there were a few other

430
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people here in there who had had the

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experience but it wasn't certainly all

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that common

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and then I published the book and really

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all hell broke loose

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I was terribly disappointed because I

436
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like you know I'm a very private person

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I became a writer primarily because I

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don't like to be out in the world I'd

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like to stay at home and write and had

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been in the advertising business for

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some years before struggling to be a

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writer and had written some books before

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very successfully and then this happened

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and it it completely upended my whole

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world it was horrible and I regret it to

446
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this day actually oh oh yeah I would

447
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never have written about it any of it if

448
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I had known that it's a lot of baloney

449
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out there about this subject nobody

450
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really knows what it is they all think

451
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it has to do with aliens or and they've

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got it all sorted out with reptilians

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and the greys and the blondes and the

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v's and the VAS none of those in the

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world have right why do we draw such

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conclusions there's a completely

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fantastic and ability to discriminate

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and think clearly the truth of the

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matter is we don't know any of those

460
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things we don't know what they are where

461
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they're from or anything and there's

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plenty of excuse me there's plenty of

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indication that they that they are very

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very different from the assumptions that

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you find if you if you google aliens or

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UFOs or something on the internet I

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think it's a disaster and a big part of

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it is the fact that a lot of the

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important information is indeed secret

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and kept secret by the government very

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very religiously I know that because I

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know a lot of the people who work in

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that area in the secrecy and they just

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like me they'd love to get these secrets

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out but they don't know how to do it and

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I don't blame them I don't either yeah I

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mean people don't understand that when

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you have an experience like this there's

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really not a lot of upside to sharing it

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with the world but you certainly lived

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it but well I did live it and I didn't

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as I said

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I didn't realize there was no upside to

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it or I would never have done it but now

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here I am I backed into it and I've

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embraced it wholeheartedly because I

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have no choice and and frankly it's

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extremely fascinating whether I speak

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about it in public or not it remains the

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absolutely the most fascinating thing

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we really do marvelous it is just an

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incredible topic and but now could you

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share a little bit with us about your

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horrible experiences what are some of

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the things that really turned you off or

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hurt you hurt your feelings or your

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insurer the primary thing was I very I

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thought I was very ashamed of part of

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what had happened to me and I couldn't

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but I couldn't not say it because I

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didn't feel that would be honest - to

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remove it if you know then I might as

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well just make this into a work of

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fiction and it's no work of fiction it's

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true it's exactly as I remember it and

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what I was embarrassed about was being

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raped that I had the misfortune to call

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it a rectal probe as a result of which I

509
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have been being laughed at about being

510
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having been raped for the rest of my

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life most recently on wait wait don't

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tell me when the video that was released

513
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through the New York Times by Louie

514
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Elizondo came out they mentioned it on

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wait wait don't tell me and told rectal

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probe jokes just just as if it didn't

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matter and of course if I had been in

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the opposite sex and had that happened

519
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to me I dared to do it but because I'm a

520
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man my rape is funny and it's not

521
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actually very funny at all not at all

522
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it's horrible I mean I was I was

523
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horrified with the way you were treated

524
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by them I mean there was such a level of

525
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roughness and abuse I mean I was used as

526
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the word I was I've been abused for

527
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years and at many many too

528
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current levels well a good example of

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that abuse is the in nineteen in the in

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in I forget the exact date I think it

531
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was in the in in the early 90s just as I

532
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was going to put out a book called

533
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confirmation which contains some

534
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critical material about the United

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00:25:57,899 --> 00:25:55,539
States Air Force a story appeared in

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Parade magazine which is now kind of

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faded but at that time it was a big

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event on Sundays at guard of every

539
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Sunday newspaper in the country to the

540
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effect that I had discovered that I had

541
00:26:13,289 --> 00:26:11,200
a disease called temporal lobe epilepsy

542
00:26:16,380 --> 00:26:13,299
and had made a contribution to the

543
00:26:19,919 --> 00:26:16,390
Epilepsy Foundation this was a complete

544
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:19,929
lie the other the truth was that I had

545
00:26:27,060 --> 00:26:24,850
not gone been very careful with all of

546
00:26:29,549 --> 00:26:27,070
these possible illnesses that could

547
00:26:31,610 --> 00:26:29,559
explain what happened to me including

548
00:26:34,649 --> 00:26:31,620
temporal lobe epilepsy and had taken

549
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:34,659
absolute state-of-the-art tests that

550
00:26:40,409 --> 00:26:37,360
it's shown as I had reported previously

551
00:26:44,669 --> 00:26:40,419
in my book transformation that not only

552
00:26:46,529 --> 00:26:44,679
did I not have epilepsy of any kind I

553
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:46,539
was to have an exceptionally stable

554
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:49,200
brain that's not at all seizure prone

555
00:26:54,990 --> 00:26:52,090
but this then I called Parade magazine

556
00:26:59,549 --> 00:26:55,000
asking what in the world possessed you

557
00:27:01,710 --> 00:26:59,559
to do this and and exactly and and he

558
00:27:04,169 --> 00:27:01,720
was the editor that I finally talked to

559
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:04,179
was very polite and sweet he said well

560
00:27:09,630 --> 00:27:07,450
you know we wanted to help you and some

561
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,640
of your friends had had told us you made

562
00:27:14,460 --> 00:27:11,200
this contribution and you're a rather

563
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:14,470
shy about it and I said who and he

564
00:27:20,610 --> 00:27:16,570
mentioned someone who was an air force

565
00:27:23,690 --> 00:27:20,620
officer and I realized that the Air

566
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:23,700
Force Office of Special Investigations

567
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:27,039
or whatever they call it had planted

568
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:33,370
this false story and that was just one

569
00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:38,110
of many many such things and you know

570
00:27:42,450 --> 00:27:40,510
behind the scenes in front of the scenes

571
00:27:45,090 --> 00:27:42,460
around the scenes it

572
00:27:47,250 --> 00:27:45,100
spen hell it still is I mean they still

573
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:47,260
will come after me if they haven't see

574
00:27:56,970 --> 00:27:50,890
an opening that's disgusting

575
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:56,980
I am so I'm not surprised but totally

576
00:28:01,230 --> 00:27:59,200
appalled by this treatment of you

577
00:28:04,050 --> 00:28:01,240
because here you were just pouring your

578
00:28:06,540 --> 00:28:04,060
heart out onto the page communion was a

579
00:28:09,900 --> 00:28:06,550
number one bestseller New York Times I

580
00:28:12,930 --> 00:28:09,910
mean my god it was a great book it's

581
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:12,940
also one of the few times that anyone

582
00:28:24,170 --> 00:28:18,250
has ever coherently us described an

583
00:28:28,050 --> 00:28:24,180
event like this in non completely non

584
00:28:31,020 --> 00:28:28,060
mythologized and/or folkloric ways it's

585
00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:31,030
just a straightforward plain description

586
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:34,510
in modern English that has not got any

587
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:40,570
reference to the saucer gods or anything

588
00:28:46,380 --> 00:28:43,450
like that and that is another thing that

589
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:46,390
I think really upset the powers that be

590
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:49,930
whoever they are because suddenly here

591
00:28:53,910 --> 00:28:52,690
was someone rational talking about this

592
00:28:58,620 --> 00:28:53,920
rationally

593
00:29:02,370 --> 00:28:58,630
in what sense they hate that look what

594
00:29:05,010 --> 00:29:02,380
they did to dr. Mac you know that he was

595
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:05,020
a good friend and he telephoned me one

596
00:29:10,110 --> 00:29:07,330
day and said quickly they're about to

597
00:29:12,390 --> 00:29:10,120
pull my tenure and my license I'm going

598
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:12,400
to be ruined I'm not gonna have a life

599
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:18,850
and I said John it's par for the course

600
00:29:26,670 --> 00:29:22,720
but you won't they won't be able to

601
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,680
destroy wreck your tenure I I don't know

602
00:29:30,660 --> 00:29:28,240
about the license I don't know enough

603
00:29:32,430 --> 00:29:30,670
about that but I had studied the

604
00:29:37,950 --> 00:29:32,440
tenuring I knew he was in trouble with

605
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:37,960
this tenure yeah and indeed they didn't

606
00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:40,480
and not only that his worst critic

607
00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:43,710
became one of his strongest supporters

608
00:29:52,020 --> 00:29:47,310
simply because of the logic and the

609
00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:52,030
intelligence of John's approach Wow well

610
00:29:55,380 --> 00:29:53,470
this is again we're going to continue

611
00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:55,390
this conversation we're going to take a

612
00:29:58,500 --> 00:29:56,110
very sure

613
00:30:00,270 --> 00:29:58,510
commercial break everybody stay with us

614
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:00,280
you are listening to Supernatural girls

615
00:30:04,380 --> 00:30:02,650
radio and we will be right back welcome

616
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:04,390
back everyone to supernatural Girls

617
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:06,730
radio I'm your host Patricia Baker I am

618
00:30:11,730 --> 00:30:09,490
here with my co-host PK and our

619
00:30:14,580 --> 00:30:11,740
illustrious guest like I said there are

620
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:14,590
heroes and Giants in this paranormal

621
00:30:18,539 --> 00:30:17,170
field Whitley is both and we're very

622
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:18,549
honored to have him here

623
00:30:24,810 --> 00:30:21,760
he's written he's written a new book

624
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:24,820
that we both read and thoroughly enjoyed

625
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:27,130
and here it is we highly recommend it

626
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:30,880
not supernatural this is an introduction

627
00:30:36,539 --> 00:30:33,970
to a new paradigm on the paranormal and

628
00:30:37,740 --> 00:30:36,549
it's a wonderful book again go out and

629
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:37,750
get it you won't be sorry

630
00:30:42,810 --> 00:30:41,290
so quickly take us forward because now

631
00:30:45,419 --> 00:30:42,820
there's more things that are happening

632
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:45,429
with you the whatever they are I'm not

633
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:46,960
gonna name them whether they're ETS or

634
00:30:51,450 --> 00:30:48,450
interdimensional or whatever those

635
00:30:53,810 --> 00:30:51,460
beings they're still in contact with you

636
00:30:56,390 --> 00:30:53,820
so tell us more about reopening today

637
00:31:00,140 --> 00:30:56,400
very definitely uh

638
00:31:03,860 --> 00:31:00,150
well after my wife passed away

639
00:31:07,620 --> 00:31:03,870
everything changed very dramatically

640
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:07,630
very sad about that well it was it was a

641
00:31:14,490 --> 00:31:12,250
horrible struggle in but it happens you

642
00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:14,500
know as my doctor our doctor said I have

643
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:16,150
a wandering percent death rate in my

644
00:31:20,330 --> 00:31:19,360
practice and that's goes for every

645
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:20,340
doctor in the world

646
00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:23,049
whenever's life comes to an end and it

647
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:27,000
was it caused for me of course a

648
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:30,490
fantastic amount of grief but and still

649
00:31:33,090 --> 00:31:31,210
does

650
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:33,100
I mean I'd every evening when evening

651
00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:35,440
falls which is when we used to stop work

652
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:38,440
and relax and have a nice conversation

653
00:31:42,650 --> 00:31:40,480
together and so forth and have our

654
00:31:46,890 --> 00:31:42,660
dinner that's the hardest time for me

655
00:31:50,370 --> 00:31:46,900
but any let me go back to what happened

656
00:31:55,159 --> 00:31:50,380
though during the time we were working

657
00:31:59,400 --> 00:31:55,169
on communion mm-hmm first of all Annie

658
00:32:01,409 --> 00:31:59,410
took this in hand you would think I was

659
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:01,419
very worried about telling her what had

660
00:32:08,220 --> 00:32:05,890
happened to me and because what might

661
00:32:10,049 --> 00:32:08,230
she think of me she had a five-year-old

662
00:32:12,869 --> 00:32:10,059
child at the time

663
00:32:15,149 --> 00:32:12,879
little child and that her husband comes

664
00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:15,159
on and comes along and says that he

665
00:32:19,709 --> 00:32:17,609
tells this incredible story that

666
00:32:22,379 --> 00:32:19,719
supposedly happened to me when she was

667
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:22,389
asleep in the same bed how is she gonna

668
00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:26,799
take that yes well it turned out her

669
00:32:33,810 --> 00:32:31,960
reaction was how fascinating I signed on

670
00:32:36,629 --> 00:32:33,820
for an interesting life and it looks

671
00:32:42,719 --> 00:32:36,639
like I found the right guy what a great

672
00:32:44,879 --> 00:32:42,729
response what a super wife I said yeah I

673
00:32:47,959 --> 00:32:44,889
thought you might want to divorce me and

674
00:32:50,430 --> 00:32:47,969
she said that's what's wrong with you I

675
00:32:52,019 --> 00:32:50,440
thought something was up I was afraid

676
00:32:58,829 --> 00:32:52,029
you might have been fooling around on me

677
00:33:00,299 --> 00:32:58,839
or something Thanks cuz I had been

678
00:33:02,879 --> 00:33:00,309
trying to kind of push her away because

679
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:02,889
I was afraid you know she wouldn't want

680
00:33:09,959 --> 00:33:04,960
me in her life in our son's life anymore

681
00:33:11,969 --> 00:33:09,969
and but anyway if we published the book

682
00:33:15,180 --> 00:33:11,979
she helped me write the book and she

683
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:15,190
would say which she was a born teacher

684
00:33:20,009 --> 00:33:18,159
she was a really very well educated at

685
00:33:23,879 --> 00:33:20,019
Bank Street college education - so she

686
00:33:26,609 --> 00:33:23,889
when it came to teaching and and and

687
00:33:29,159 --> 00:33:26,619
helping somebody form an idea she was

688
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:29,169
the best so she would say as I went

689
00:33:33,479 --> 00:33:30,849
along no no you're connecting the dots

690
00:33:35,849 --> 00:33:33,489
you don't know that these two things are

691
00:33:39,089 --> 00:33:35,859
even related let's work that out into a

692
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:39,099
question and so at the end of the book

693
00:33:44,869 --> 00:33:41,529
they're a group of unanswered questions

694
00:33:49,829 --> 00:33:44,879
that it formed the center of my whole

695
00:33:52,379 --> 00:33:49,839
experience of my experience and those

696
00:33:57,389 --> 00:33:52,389
questions were basically formulated by

697
00:34:01,649 --> 00:33:57,399
Ann then after the book went out we got

698
00:34:03,389 --> 00:34:01,659
not just a few letters we got thousands

699
00:34:05,820 --> 00:34:03,399
and then hundreds of thousands of

700
00:34:07,469 --> 00:34:05,830
letters from everywhere in this country

701
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:07,479
and all over the world

702
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:10,480
we had touched a nerve this is something

703
00:34:16,109 --> 00:34:13,440
that happens to a lot of people and

704
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:16,119
Annie would say you know I I think it's

705
00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:18,129
unlikely that this has to do with aliens

706
00:34:22,349 --> 00:34:20,529
because it's just too common but one

707
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:22,359
thing is clear it has to do with us

708
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:23,770
human beings

709
00:34:29,129 --> 00:34:27,610
and one day she came out of her office

710
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:29,139
and she said quickly

711
00:34:34,350 --> 00:34:31,210
this has something to do with what we

712
00:34:37,379 --> 00:34:34,360
call death and it was because so many

713
00:34:40,889 --> 00:34:37,389
times the people who were describing

714
00:34:43,050 --> 00:34:40,899
alien encounters would also say that the

715
00:34:45,470 --> 00:34:43,060
some dead friend a relative was

716
00:34:48,180 --> 00:34:45,480
accompanying the suppose of aliens and

717
00:34:50,129 --> 00:34:48,190
when we used to have groups of people up

718
00:34:53,490 --> 00:34:50,139
at our cabin to meet the visitors which

719
00:34:55,740 --> 00:34:53,500
happened quite commonly if we would

720
00:34:57,570 --> 00:34:55,750
always know when one of those weekends

721
00:34:59,640 --> 00:34:57,580
was going to be a success when someone

722
00:35:01,590 --> 00:34:59,650
would walk in and say something like I

723
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:01,600
just saw my dead brother walking down

724
00:35:06,570 --> 00:35:04,690
your room Wow and Danny would say

725
00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:06,580
they'll be here later and they always

726
00:35:16,290 --> 00:35:10,960
were so what was really going on yeah

727
00:35:18,890 --> 00:35:16,300
that's the very question exactly no but

728
00:35:22,050 --> 00:35:18,900
we made a plan back in I think about

729
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:22,060
1994 we decided that this meant that

730
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:26,410
there was an afterlife and so we decided

731
00:35:33,540 --> 00:35:30,609
that the first one of us to go would try

732
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:33,550
to contact the other one but not through

733
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:37,510
psychics or mediums but and not directly

734
00:35:45,210 --> 00:35:41,770
but to go to friends and contact the

735
00:35:48,620 --> 00:35:45,220
friends but we never told anyone this

736
00:35:53,220 --> 00:35:48,630
in fact I forgot all about it and an

737
00:35:55,620 --> 00:35:53,230
hour and a half after Annie died a dear

738
00:35:57,420 --> 00:35:55,630
friend of ours Belle fuller telephoned

739
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,430
me and said quickly is an all right

740
00:36:03,390 --> 00:35:59,200
because I just heard her voice tell me

741
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:03,400
to call you and I said Annie spelled

742
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:06,490
died I mean Belle Annie died an hour and

743
00:36:14,460 --> 00:36:11,200
a half ago and I had been sitting there

744
00:36:17,460 --> 00:36:14,470
wishing that I would have some further

745
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:17,470
contact with her and that was just the

746
00:36:23,310 --> 00:36:21,090
beginning of what became a very

747
00:36:25,830 --> 00:36:23,320
organised and he's always a very

748
00:36:29,340 --> 00:36:25,840
organized person a very organised

749
00:36:32,370 --> 00:36:29,350
process of contact that eventually led

750
00:36:35,730 --> 00:36:32,380
to a whole new kind of relationship

751
00:36:37,410 --> 00:36:35,740
between the two of us across the bridge

752
00:36:40,349 --> 00:36:37,420
between the worlds

753
00:36:46,020 --> 00:36:40,359
to symbolize it I don't know if you can

754
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:46,030
see them I wear both of our rings I see

755
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:52,089
it we joined always we have now got one

756
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:54,880
body and two people in the marriage

757
00:37:00,990 --> 00:36:58,960
still beautiful we published a book

758
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:01,000
together called afterlife revolution

759
00:37:06,690 --> 00:37:03,280
about this which is available on Amazon

760
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:06,700
and I read the audio book myself and it

761
00:37:12,089 --> 00:37:09,250
was terribly hard but I did it and

762
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:12,099
thanks so it's a paperback on the e-book

763
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:15,490
and an audio book now so people can get

764
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,680
that as well as the super news as well

765
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:19,599
as supernatural and we can talk now

766
00:37:26,849 --> 00:37:23,200
about the supernatural because what

767
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:26,859
happened there was some years ago I met

768
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:29,170
a professor from Rice University Jeffrey

769
00:37:36,359 --> 00:37:32,490
[\h__\h] who is one of the world's

770
00:37:39,780 --> 00:37:36,369
leading experts on folklore modern

771
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:39,790
folklore and mythology and he was very

772
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:44,170
interested in my work not necessarily as

773
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:47,440
a believer but as an academic with an

774
00:37:54,660 --> 00:37:52,210
open mind ready to explore and we went

775
00:37:59,339 --> 00:37:54,670
back and forth we met we went to

776
00:38:01,890 --> 00:37:59,349
conferences together and all of a sudden

777
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:01,900
it occurred to me or to Jeff er to both

778
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:04,720
of us at the same time I'm not sure what

779
00:38:10,650 --> 00:38:08,049
if we did something where we played off

780
00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:10,660
against each other he would bring his

781
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:15,510
academic skills and deep knowledge of

782
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:18,609
mythology and modern folklore and I

783
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:21,609
would bring my experiences and we would

784
00:38:26,789 --> 00:38:24,970
trade I would write an experience and

785
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:26,799
Jeff would react to it with an essay

786
00:38:32,359 --> 00:38:29,920
about what it means in the cut in in in

787
00:38:36,780 --> 00:38:32,369
in a larger context and that's what

788
00:38:38,819 --> 00:38:36,790
supernatural is it's not about things

789
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:38,829
that go bump in the night I mean things

790
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:42,660
do go bump in the night believe me but

791
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:46,510
what it's not something outside of

792
00:38:51,180 --> 00:38:49,690
nature that's why we split the words

793
00:38:55,850 --> 00:38:51,190
into two

794
00:39:00,980 --> 00:38:55,860
super and natural because it is natural

795
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:00,990
experience a natural phenomena that is

796
00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:04,330
super powerful partly because we don't

797
00:39:13,050 --> 00:39:09,720
understand it and partly because how it

798
00:39:16,380 --> 00:39:13,060
respond to it and the experiences that

799
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:16,390
it brings us that's a new paradigm that

800
00:39:21,060 --> 00:39:19,690
I really can get behind I I think it

801
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:21,070
makes a lot of sense

802
00:39:25,470 --> 00:39:23,170
we and again here we are on this radio

803
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:25,480
show our tagline is where paranormalists

804
00:39:31,650 --> 00:39:28,570
normal because to us all of these things

805
00:39:34,770 --> 00:39:31,660
are normal there's nothing to in our

806
00:39:37,020 --> 00:39:34,780
minds that we would would say it doesn't

807
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:37,030
fit it all fits well of course it's

808
00:39:42,510 --> 00:39:39,490
normal I mean we got probably a million

809
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:42,520
letters over the years and Annie Annie

810
00:39:48,690 --> 00:39:45,610
collected the the ones that were not

811
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:48,700
just hello gee this is really cool but

812
00:39:52,260 --> 00:39:50,410
the ones that you know where people

813
00:39:56,910 --> 00:39:52,270
described experiences she collected them

814
00:40:01,950 --> 00:39:56,920
all and now they're at Rice University

815
00:40:04,530 --> 00:40:01,960
is part of a of an archive that's being

816
00:40:08,460 --> 00:40:04,540
created there of this material which is

817
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:08,470
great but my point is this every time I

818
00:40:14,570 --> 00:40:10,570
pick up a skeptics book it says well

819
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:14,580
this is just anecdotal anecdotal means a

820
00:40:22,730 --> 00:40:19,450
single isolated experience it's not that

821
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:22,740
this is part of the human condition and

822
00:40:27,150 --> 00:40:24,910
probably always has been

823
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:27,160
we are just becoming more articulate

824
00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:29,910
about it because we are less and less

825
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:33,910
bound by beliefs and and and mythologies

826
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:36,910
because most of the people who would

827
00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:38,710
write us had never heard of the UFO

828
00:40:45,060 --> 00:40:41,310
community the mutual UFO network

829
00:40:46,650 --> 00:40:45,070
hypnosis any of that stuff they just

830
00:40:49,890 --> 00:40:46,660
responded you know what they mostly

831
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:49,900
responded to they had seen the face on

832
00:40:56,730 --> 00:40:53,490
the cover of communion in their homes

833
00:40:59,130 --> 00:40:56,740
they had seen that and when they

834
00:41:02,970 --> 00:40:59,140
realized that it was just as they had

835
00:41:05,070 --> 00:41:02,980
suspected not a dream they sat down and

836
00:41:07,950 --> 00:41:05,080
wrote and told of what had happened

837
00:41:12,030 --> 00:41:07,960
and you also had talked about the owl

838
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:12,040
and how so many people have seen the owl

839
00:41:16,830 --> 00:41:15,370
but it's really not the owl and I'm sure

840
00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:16,840
a lot of people wrote you about that we

841
00:41:22,290 --> 00:41:20,230
hear about that as well it's it's a very

842
00:41:24,540 --> 00:41:22,300
powerful powerful thing that

843
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:24,550
everything's with the owls yes that's a

844
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:26,800
incredible image now here's a couple

845
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:28,510
questions that let's go back a little

846
00:41:32,850 --> 00:41:30,730
bit because we have a great audience and

847
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:32,860
they always ask good questions this is

848
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:35,410
from lyric Wilson who's saying did you

849
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,330
think that you are on the verge of a

850
00:41:43,770 --> 00:41:39,280
nervous breakdown throughout your

851
00:41:45,180 --> 00:41:43,780
original encounter I did think that I

852
00:41:46,650 --> 00:41:45,190
was losing my mind

853
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:46,660
it was far worse than a nervous

854
00:41:52,290 --> 00:41:48,160
breakdown I thought I had had a

855
00:41:55,230 --> 00:41:52,300
psychotic break so intense that I had

856
00:41:59,280 --> 00:41:55,240
lost during the psycho psychotic break

857
00:42:02,250 --> 00:41:59,290
all contact with reality and I thought

858
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:02,260
if this happens again and doesn't go

859
00:42:09,570 --> 00:42:05,920
away what happens to Ann and our boy

860
00:42:12,990 --> 00:42:09,580
they have no means of support I can't

861
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:13,000
help them she couldn't under the laws of

862
00:42:18,030 --> 00:42:15,010
New York State as I understood them then

863
00:42:22,980 --> 00:42:18,040
she couldn't even divorce me that that

864
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:22,990
wasn't a cause for divorce so she would

865
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:27,450
have been helplessly saddled with this

866
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:32,770
useless man I was horrified by that idea

867
00:42:38,340 --> 00:42:35,770
that was why I tried to make I tried to

868
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:38,350
push her away and here we had this

869
00:42:43,590 --> 00:42:41,650
wonderful loving marriage and and I kept

870
00:42:46,410 --> 00:42:43,600
saying to her why don't you move down to

871
00:42:48,420 --> 00:42:46,420
Texas and listen that's where we're from

872
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:48,430
and I have a lot we had she has a lot of

873
00:42:53,850 --> 00:42:50,290
friends there and I had relations and

874
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:53,860
she says why do you want to separate and

875
00:42:59,130 --> 00:42:56,770
I couldn't say I did because I didn't

876
00:43:01,650 --> 00:42:59,140
and I said no I just thought that I

877
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:01,660
think it might be something that you

878
00:43:06,780 --> 00:43:04,000
would be happy you did in the in the

879
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:06,790
long run and of course I was thinking

880
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:08,290
about this that's why when I finally

881
00:43:12,570 --> 00:43:09,370
owned up to it

882
00:43:14,730 --> 00:43:12,580
she was so relieved so yes is the answer

883
00:43:18,070 --> 00:43:14,740
I thought I was having a nervous

884
00:43:22,690 --> 00:43:18,080
breakdown and worse yes

885
00:43:24,460 --> 00:43:22,700
general this is from Ursula who's saying

886
00:43:28,420 --> 00:43:24,470
how quickly did you seek out a support

887
00:43:34,050 --> 00:43:28,430
group for your trauma not quickly at all

888
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:34,060
my initial reaction was that it was a

889
00:43:41,020 --> 00:43:38,000
some kind of psychological problem that

890
00:43:44,740 --> 00:43:41,030
it was a brain tumor or temporal lobe

891
00:43:48,580 --> 00:43:44,750
epilepsy or some on some other form or

892
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:48,590
simply a psychosis but once I had gotten

893
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:52,810
past those possibilities then I

894
00:43:58,270 --> 00:43:55,970
remembered that one of the beings that I

895
00:44:01,600 --> 00:43:58,280
had been with was actually a person I

896
00:44:04,060 --> 00:44:01,610
renew in high school in college who was

897
00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:04,070
a had joined the Central Intelligence

898
00:44:11,650 --> 00:44:08,030
Agency and I had written a book some

899
00:44:13,870 --> 00:44:11,660
years before called war day and war day

900
00:44:15,940 --> 00:44:13,880
had very much annoyed the Reagan

901
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:15,950
administration for a lot of reasons we

902
00:44:23,470 --> 00:44:18,530
don't need to go into it was a political

903
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:23,480
model and the result of this was that I

904
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:27,530
had been Ted Kennedy had read from it on

905
00:44:32,610 --> 00:44:29,210
the floor of the Senate because he

906
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:32,620
thought the book was very important and

907
00:44:37,210 --> 00:44:35,450
he had one of his staffers telephoned me

908
00:44:38,860 --> 00:44:37,220
and said you know you'll your lot

909
00:44:40,930 --> 00:44:38,870
they're liable to play dirty tricks on

910
00:44:43,570 --> 00:44:40,940
you because the president's do that and

911
00:44:46,060 --> 00:44:43,580
I said what do you mean and she said

912
00:44:48,250 --> 00:44:46,070
well you can expect a political tax

913
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:48,260
audit and I thought well that won't

914
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:50,570
matter much because I have but it'll

915
00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:53,090
take ten minutes but I don't have very

916
00:44:58,570 --> 00:44:55,310
complex taxes so I sort of forgot about

917
00:45:01,300 --> 00:44:58,580
it but then this happened and I thought

918
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:01,310
I this was like a hallucinatory

919
00:45:05,890 --> 00:45:03,530
experience with these weird creatures

920
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:05,900
all around me unable to wake up and

921
00:45:12,460 --> 00:45:08,480
there was the one person I recognized

922
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:12,470
was that guy and I thought was this the

923
00:45:18,460 --> 00:45:15,170
dirty trick did they get into the house

924
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:18,470
somehow and drugged me put LSD in my

925
00:45:24,730 --> 00:45:21,440
soup or something and try to drive me

926
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:24,740
crazy so that the so that I couldn't no

927
00:45:30,460 --> 00:45:28,370
longer be a political advocate and so I

928
00:45:31,810 --> 00:45:30,470
you know I have a spoon number I'll call

929
00:45:33,070 --> 00:45:31,820
it

930
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:33,080
I telephoned him the number was

931
00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:35,510
disconnected and I felt a ha I'm on the

932
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:38,680
right track so I phoned his brother and

933
00:45:44,890 --> 00:45:41,330
there that was one of the most

934
00:45:45,820 --> 00:45:44,900
extraordinary chilling amazing moments

935
00:45:50,020 --> 00:45:45,830
of my life

936
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:50,030
when his brother said Whitley ex has

937
00:45:59,020 --> 00:45:55,280
been dead since last March he died and

938
00:46:02,110 --> 00:45:59,030
in other words when I saw him in late

939
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:02,120
December he'd already been dead for

940
00:46:09,730 --> 00:46:06,160
nearly a year that was the first time

941
00:46:13,450 --> 00:46:09,740
the dead showed up with the visitors in

942
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:13,460
our experience and that was the

943
00:46:17,380 --> 00:46:15,530
beginning that we didn't realize we just

944
00:46:20,140 --> 00:46:17,390
didn't know what to make of it then

945
00:46:23,290 --> 00:46:20,150
later we would under come to understand

946
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:23,300
that this is all radically different

947
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:26,450
from everything we understand understand

948
00:46:36,070 --> 00:46:31,810
and think we know about it but so

949
00:46:39,730 --> 00:46:36,080
initials the initial thing then I met

950
00:46:43,420 --> 00:46:39,740
Budd Hopkins who I sought him out

951
00:46:45,340 --> 00:46:43,430
because I had my brother had given me a

952
00:46:47,140 --> 00:46:45,350
UFO book that mentioned him and

953
00:46:48,850 --> 00:46:47,150
mentioned these close encounter

954
00:46:50,860 --> 00:46:48,860
witnesses and abductors and they did

955
00:46:53,890 --> 00:46:50,870
sound sort of like what happened to me

956
00:46:57,310 --> 00:46:53,900
so that was the second thing I went and

957
00:46:59,050 --> 00:46:57,320
found Budd Hopkins and got involved with

958
00:47:02,410 --> 00:46:59,060
a group of other people who had had this

959
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:02,420
happen but at the time but I said to

960
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:03,710
blood how many people do you think this

961
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:06,890
happens to and he says well we've got 18

962
00:47:11,110 --> 00:47:08,570
I think he said in this group and I

963
00:47:14,650 --> 00:47:11,120
think there must be 40 or 50 more around

964
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:14,660
probably and so that was the beginning

965
00:47:21,370 --> 00:47:16,850
that was must have been in March so

966
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:21,380
March of 1986 so about three months

967
00:47:25,570 --> 00:47:23,330
after the event is when I started with a

968
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:25,580
group and I didn't stay with it for long

969
00:47:32,140 --> 00:47:30,290
but that was my first experience of

970
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:32,150
group work with this there's lots of

971
00:47:38,980 --> 00:47:34,130
groups around there's an organization

972
00:47:41,890 --> 00:47:38,990
called free fr EE which I think if you

973
00:47:43,390 --> 00:47:41,900
google free UFO you'll probably go to

974
00:47:45,309 --> 00:47:43,400
their website I don't remember their web

975
00:47:47,799 --> 00:47:45,319
address that connect

976
00:47:51,009 --> 00:47:47,809
people with psychologists and so forth

977
00:47:53,979 --> 00:47:51,019
who take an interest in this gosh what a

978
00:47:58,109 --> 00:47:53,989
journey well here's another question

979
00:48:04,089 --> 00:48:01,959
they are so fascinated by you Whitley

980
00:48:05,410 --> 00:48:04,099
here is from shimmering lights do you

981
00:48:07,620 --> 00:48:05,420
think the government still has an

982
00:48:11,289 --> 00:48:07,630
interest in what you're up to

983
00:48:18,130 --> 00:48:11,299
it does beyond that I have nothing to

984
00:48:20,709 --> 00:48:18,140
say okay that's a bad thing I guess the

985
00:48:23,579 --> 00:48:20,719
government is a very complex entity

986
00:48:26,380 --> 00:48:23,589
there are aspects of the government

987
00:48:28,569 --> 00:48:26,390
primarily the Air Force I think who

988
00:48:31,299 --> 00:48:28,579
don't want this stuff known and the

989
00:48:32,249 --> 00:48:31,309
reason they don't is because they can do

990
00:48:34,930 --> 00:48:32,259
nothing about it

991
00:48:37,779 --> 00:48:34,940
the Air Force is supposed to protect us

992
00:48:40,049 --> 00:48:37,789
from threats from above this appears to

993
00:48:42,819 --> 00:48:40,059
be a threat from above because it comes

994
00:48:44,439 --> 00:48:42,829
in the Scout of the sky and lands and

995
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,449
ends up in people's bedrooms and does

996
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:46,880
things that they don't like and the Air

997
00:48:50,469 --> 00:48:48,890
Force has to say we can't do a thing

998
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:50,479
about it we don't understand the first

999
00:48:57,370 --> 00:48:54,079
thing about it of course that would be

1000
00:48:59,410 --> 00:48:57,380
that it's not what it seems but however

1001
00:49:01,180 --> 00:48:59,420
that's what you've gotten to in your

1002
00:49:03,279 --> 00:49:01,190
book is a lot of this isn't what it

1003
00:49:05,620 --> 00:49:03,289
seems which is such an important premise

1004
00:49:08,019 --> 00:49:05,630
and just start from there here's another

1005
00:49:10,299 --> 00:49:08,029
here's a comment actually this is from

1006
00:49:13,870 --> 00:49:10,309
extra-dimensional traveler Whitley I'm a

1007
00:49:16,930 --> 00:49:13,880
third generation abductee I had my first

1008
00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:16,940
encounter at 10 I can confirm much of

1009
00:49:23,499 --> 00:49:20,329
your experiences so nice comment from

1010
00:49:25,630 --> 00:49:23,509
that person now here's one from Rohan

1011
00:49:28,989 --> 00:49:25,640
Lewis who says hi Whitley did you have

1012
00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:28,999
an open mind about ghosts before your

1013
00:49:35,009 --> 00:49:32,209
alien encounter I didn't have an open

1014
00:49:39,029 --> 00:49:35,019
mind about any of his I'm sorry to say

1015
00:49:43,180 --> 00:49:39,039
and and I I started out a Catholic and

1016
00:49:45,969 --> 00:49:43,190
was raised by atheists and we were

1017
00:49:49,059 --> 00:49:45,979
secular in fact a friend of an old

1018
00:49:50,439 --> 00:49:49,069
friend of mine said to me a couple of

1019
00:49:52,420 --> 00:49:50,449
months ago he said you know Whitley when

1020
00:49:55,209 --> 00:49:52,430
that's the subject of UFOs used to come

1021
00:49:56,890 --> 00:49:55,219
up when we were young you were just when

1022
00:49:58,029 --> 00:49:56,900
a wind mine was a little kid of course I

1023
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:58,039
was fascinated by it

1024
00:50:01,980 --> 00:49:59,119
back in the 50s

1025
00:50:04,989 --> 00:50:01,990
but by the time I was a young man in my

1026
00:50:08,289 --> 00:50:04,999
20s and 30s I thought it was ridiculous

1027
00:50:12,900 --> 00:50:08,299
child's play so I didn't have an open

1028
00:50:15,730 --> 00:50:12,910
mind however no sooner had an and I met

1029
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:15,740
then peculiar things started happening

1030
00:50:25,150 --> 00:50:18,609
to us when we were together and we

1031
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:25,160
didn't really make much of them but they

1032
00:50:32,620 --> 00:50:28,400
were odd enough to wear both of us

1033
00:50:34,690 --> 00:50:32,630
thought hmm what kind of person have I

1034
00:50:39,819 --> 00:50:34,700
married here that I've got these weird

1035
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:39,829
things happening to me now that's right

1036
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,410
but we didn't we never thought about it

1037
00:50:48,279 --> 00:50:44,240
it was never on the sudden it was never

1038
00:50:51,279 --> 00:50:48,289
subject we were concerned about I wrote

1039
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:51,289
horror novels yeah and so I you know I

1040
00:50:55,839 --> 00:50:52,640
was concerned in that sense but

1041
00:50:57,759 --> 00:50:55,849
professionally is you know the vampire

1042
00:51:01,480 --> 00:50:57,769
lore the we're wool floor and all that

1043
00:51:05,940 --> 00:51:01,490
stuff that interested me yes exactly and

1044
00:51:10,029 --> 00:51:05,950
that interests a lot of readers too yes

1045
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:10,039
yes here's excuse me a question from

1046
00:51:19,509 --> 00:51:15,650
Conte well that shows ever come out that

1047
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:19,519
is a very good question and a very hard

1048
00:51:27,849 --> 00:51:23,210
question because the we have to first

1049
00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:27,859
figure out what is the truth and for

1050
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:32,049
example Louise Alvarez released a video

1051
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:34,880
that was featured in The New York Times

1052
00:51:43,870 --> 00:51:39,890
a few months ago in December of a UFO

1053
00:51:48,329 --> 00:51:43,880
image of a UFO that was taken by some

1054
00:51:51,489 --> 00:51:48,339
Navy planes but what is it

1055
00:51:53,950 --> 00:51:51,499
right this is what is it

1056
00:51:56,729 --> 00:51:53,960
I know people who work on this on the

1057
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:56,739
inside and they don't know what it is

1058
00:52:01,329 --> 00:51:59,119
one of the reasons there's so much

1059
00:52:06,029 --> 00:52:01,339
agitation to get this out into the

1060
00:52:12,730 --> 00:52:06,039
public sphere is that the classification

1061
00:52:17,740 --> 00:52:12,740
system excuse me has put a damper on

1062
00:52:20,260 --> 00:52:17,750
innovative new thinking and research one

1063
00:52:23,650 --> 00:52:20,270
thing that did come out fascinatingly

1064
00:52:26,380 --> 00:52:23,660
enough at the contact in the desert UFO

1065
00:52:29,140 --> 00:52:26,390
conference last summer here in

1066
00:52:31,630 --> 00:52:29,150
california was the very distinguished

1067
00:52:34,810 --> 00:52:31,640
member of the UFO community dr. Jacque

1068
00:52:38,830 --> 00:52:34,820
Malay conceivably the most distinguished

1069
00:52:44,410 --> 00:52:38,840
member of the UFO community in fact came

1070
00:52:48,100 --> 00:52:44,420
out and proceeded to show technical data

1071
00:52:51,850 --> 00:52:48,110
indicating that some material that he

1072
00:52:55,690 --> 00:52:51,860
had acquired material I have some of it

1073
00:53:02,080 --> 00:52:55,700
too but he had acquired this material in

1074
00:53:07,390 --> 00:53:02,090
various ways that came from UFO crash

1075
00:53:10,780 --> 00:53:07,400
and it had been analyzed isotopically

1076
00:53:13,150 --> 00:53:10,790
because there are people with a good

1077
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:13,160
deal of money behind dr. Valley and his

1078
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:17,210
work and that's very expensive that type

1079
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:21,410
of analysis and hold that spot Whitley

1080
00:53:26,890 --> 00:53:22,960
we're going to come back and finish the

1081
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:26,900
this about jacques of LA and his work we

1082
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:28,880
have to take a very short commercial

1083
00:53:34,180 --> 00:53:32,510
break and stay tuned everybody you are

1084
00:53:36,340 --> 00:53:34,190
listening to Supernatural girls radio

1085
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:36,350
and we will be right back welcome back

1086
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:38,690
everyone to Supernatural girls radio I'm

1087
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:40,160
your host Patricia Baker

1088
00:53:44,830 --> 00:53:43,010
I am here with my co-host PK and our

1089
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:44,840
terrific guest tonight were so honored

1090
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:47,570
to have him Whitley Strieber is here

1091
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:49,490
with us tonight and he is the author of

1092
00:53:54,580 --> 00:53:51,890
not just one but two new books the

1093
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:54,590
supernatural is one whose fear this is

1094
00:54:00,280 --> 00:53:57,170
that one and another one that Whitley

1095
00:54:03,180 --> 00:54:00,290
has co-authored with his wife across the

1096
00:54:05,530 --> 00:54:03,190
bridge and that is called afterlife

1097
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:05,540
Revolution and you can get both on

1098
00:54:09,250 --> 00:54:07,280
Amazon I'm looking forward to reading

1099
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:09,260
this afterlife one this sounds fast I am

1100
00:54:18,550 --> 00:54:16,010
too fast it's been an exceptional year

1101
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:18,560
for me in terms of writing because the

1102
00:54:23,230 --> 00:54:20,690
both books are very important books and

1103
00:54:26,410 --> 00:54:23,240
I'm extremely grateful to have them out

1104
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:26,420
there I must say yes let's

1105
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:28,400
let's get back to jock ballet because we

1106
00:54:44,670 --> 00:54:40,450
let here's what he reported he had had

1107
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:44,680
this material analyzed the isotopic

1108
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:49,010
ratios in it analyzed and these isotopic

1109
00:54:55,390 --> 00:54:52,010
ratios were not of this world they were

1110
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:55,400
not isotopes that occur on planet Earth

1111
00:55:00,339 --> 00:54:58,400
but there's a remarkable kicker you'd

1112
00:55:03,370 --> 00:55:00,349
think oh well that must mean they're

1113
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:03,380
from some other part of the universe but

1114
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:07,010
as we understand physics they couldn't

1115
00:55:18,460 --> 00:55:12,079
exist at all in this universe am i they

1116
00:55:24,819 --> 00:55:18,470
are entirely fabricated from the

1117
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:24,829
subatomic level up or they are not from

1118
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:26,450
this universe there's something from

1119
00:55:32,339 --> 00:55:29,210
another universe from a parallel

1120
00:55:37,420 --> 00:55:32,349
universe with different laws of physics

1121
00:55:40,750 --> 00:55:37,430
it is remarkable stuff now when you have

1122
00:55:44,010 --> 00:55:40,760
something like that in the hands of a

1123
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:44,020
scientist which has been analyzed very

1124
00:55:51,460 --> 00:55:48,799
properly when you have video released by

1125
00:55:54,220 --> 00:55:51,470
the United States government of an

1126
00:56:00,490 --> 00:55:54,230
unknown object that functioned in ways

1127
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:00,500
that we cannot duplicate at all then why

1128
00:56:12,190 --> 00:56:05,450
I wonder do we end up trading rectal

1129
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:12,200
probe jokes we can do better yes think

1130
00:56:16,750 --> 00:56:14,720
about this yeah this other stuff is such

1131
00:56:18,450 --> 00:56:16,760
a terrible and stupid distraction

1132
00:56:23,020 --> 00:56:18,460
absolutely there's so many great

1133
00:56:25,150 --> 00:56:23,030
mysteries to discuss it's so weak and

1134
00:56:27,579 --> 00:56:25,160
you know I live with the visitors

1135
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:27,589
they're in my life all the time I'm not

1136
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:29,690
gonna go into a great deal of detail

1137
00:56:37,390 --> 00:56:34,490
about how that works but I'm embarrassed

1138
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:37,400
I have we've got to do better because

1139
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:40,250
they're unimpressed and you know I

1140
00:56:45,730 --> 00:56:42,880
keep worrying about the fact that our

1141
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:45,740
climate is deteriorating and there are

1142
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:48,410
other things about us that they've

1143
00:56:52,930 --> 00:56:50,570
explained to me about population

1144
00:56:57,810 --> 00:56:52,940
pressure and so forth we're in very

1145
00:57:02,320 --> 00:56:57,820
serious trouble as a species we are and

1146
00:57:05,590 --> 00:57:02,330
we need their help we need to turn

1147
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:05,600
towards them in a rational and coherent

1148
00:57:13,930 --> 00:57:09,610
way and we're not doing that at all

1149
00:57:17,050 --> 00:57:13,940
instead you have these absurd that's

1150
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:17,060
like the the reactions to that video

1151
00:57:25,660 --> 00:57:22,010
were childish they were a selfish and I

1152
00:57:30,130 --> 00:57:25,670
think to myself seventy years of an

1153
00:57:33,550 --> 00:57:30,140
organized attempt to kind of tame us to

1154
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:33,560
this presence and finally something

1155
00:57:38,310 --> 00:57:35,450
happens that's incontrovertible the

1156
00:57:43,660 --> 00:57:38,320
video is released by the government and

1157
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:43,670
the general reaction is scientists

1158
00:57:49,780 --> 00:57:46,480
denying it in the face of the

1159
00:57:54,580 --> 00:57:49,790
irrefutable reality of the documentation

1160
00:57:59,100 --> 00:57:54,590
and other and people making frightened

1161
00:58:04,290 --> 00:57:59,110
nervous jokes but more importantly

1162
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:04,300
nobody with a really strong mind

1163
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:08,810
taking a look at this seriously from a

1164
00:58:16,180 --> 00:58:13,040
social cultural viewpoint in social

1165
00:58:21,060 --> 00:58:16,190
sciences the academic community in terms

1166
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:21,070
of the culture physics biology

1167
00:58:26,310 --> 00:58:24,290
astrophysics astronomy cosmology there

1168
00:58:31,020 --> 00:58:26,320
are so many different disciplines that

1169
00:58:34,510 --> 00:58:31,030
should be looking at this very seriously

1170
00:58:44,340 --> 00:58:34,520
instead absolutely there's just a big

1171
00:58:48,820 --> 00:58:44,350
heart yeah yes it is it's ridiculous now

1172
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:48,830
you have a story in your book that we

1173
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:51,440
found so fascinating and this is in the

1174
00:58:57,830 --> 00:58:53,370
supernatural book

1175
00:59:01,280 --> 00:58:57,840
about the editor Bruce Lee who goes into

1176
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:01,290
a bookstore can you tell us about that

1177
00:59:08,690 --> 00:59:03,570
story I know our our listeners want to

1178
00:59:11,930 --> 00:59:08,700
hear it that is amazing I got a million

1179
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:11,940
stories I have an entire lifetime it

1180
00:59:15,890 --> 00:59:13,440
shouldn't have happened and that is

1181
00:59:18,380 --> 00:59:15,900
impossible but I'll tell you this story

1182
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:18,390
Bruce Lee was a he had been an

1183
00:59:23,180 --> 00:59:21,090
intelligence agent and he was now an

1184
00:59:25,580 --> 00:59:23,190
editor and in army intelligence and he

1185
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:25,590
was now an editor at William Morrow and

1186
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:28,290
company and the book had just been

1187
00:59:33,110 --> 00:59:30,960
published communion and he went into a

1188
00:59:36,830 --> 00:59:33,120
shop called the Madison Avenue book shop

1189
00:59:38,540 --> 00:59:36,840
to see if they'd had facings and that

1190
00:59:41,980 --> 00:59:38,550
people were interested in it and so

1191
00:59:44,750 --> 00:59:41,990
forth and he saw a couple of people that

1192
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:44,760
seemed to be looking at the book so he

1193
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,490
went around behind them behind the

1194
00:59:53,350 --> 00:59:49,680
bookshelf that it was in so he could

1195
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:53,360
listen to them talking and he did this

1196
00:59:58,670 --> 00:59:56,250
he proceeds to hear the see that they're

1197
01:00:01,640 --> 00:59:58,680
flipping through it at a very rapid rate

1198
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:01,650
of speed and laughing and saying well he

1199
01:00:08,270 --> 01:00:04,370
got this wrong and he got that wrong and

1200
01:00:11,330 --> 01:00:08,280
he thought how do they know right and

1201
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:11,340
then he stopped they stopped and looked

1202
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:16,290
up at him and they were with these great

1203
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:20,130
big black eyes and you were on they head

1204
01:00:25,610 --> 01:00:22,770
on overcoats and fedoras down over their

1205
01:00:28,850 --> 01:00:25,620
eyes and you know that he was looking

1206
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:28,860
face to face with the people on the

1207
01:00:37,460 --> 01:00:33,930
cover of Communion and you know that

1208
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:37,470
seems like an awesome experience they

1209
01:00:44,750 --> 01:00:41,610
don't think of it that way to them this

1210
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:44,760
is ordinary life they've been around us

1211
01:00:52,220 --> 01:00:48,090
they know us well and when you're around

1212
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:52,230
them it's no big deal it's not like 80

1213
01:00:57,820 --> 01:00:55,440
or something they're just ordinary they

1214
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:57,830
consider themselves ordinary people and

1215
01:01:03,290 --> 01:01:00,720
in spite of the fact that I have been

1216
01:01:05,930 --> 01:01:03,300
around them from time to time I still

1217
01:01:07,220 --> 01:01:05,940
don't know what they are but I can

1218
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:07,230
assure you they think of

1219
01:01:14,090 --> 01:01:11,450
fells is ordinary anyway I decided

1220
01:01:17,590 --> 01:01:14,100
perhaps it would be a good idea to leave

1221
01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:17,600
the store so he did leave the store and

1222
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:20,310
as he walked out he could hear them

1223
01:01:26,540 --> 01:01:23,040
walking behind him and talking to each

1224
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:26,550
other and laughing in English and as he

1225
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:30,290
put it in Jewish thick Jewish accents

1226
01:01:42,380 --> 01:01:33,690
down Madison Avenue still looking like

1227
01:01:44,210 --> 01:01:42,390
that and nobody better than I maybe they

1228
01:01:48,530 --> 01:01:44,220
didn't look like that to the other

1229
01:01:51,530 --> 01:01:48,540
people possibility and yeah you just

1230
01:01:55,099 --> 01:01:51,540
don't know what the reality is anyway I

1231
01:01:58,099 --> 01:01:55,109
had him take a lie detector test because

1232
01:02:00,680 --> 01:01:58,109
I found it extremely hard to believe

1233
01:02:03,140 --> 01:02:00,690
that story at that time nowadays the way

1234
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:03,150
I've lived I wouldn't I wouldn't even

1235
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:05,730
bat an eye at the story like that their

1236
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:08,250
stories are quite ordinary but at the

1237
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:11,130
time it seemed difficult to believe and

1238
01:02:15,590 --> 01:02:13,200
I was afraid that the publishers were

1239
01:02:17,930 --> 01:02:15,600
putting me on

1240
01:02:20,420 --> 01:02:17,940
in fact my the reason I heard the first

1241
01:02:22,310 --> 01:02:20,430
I heard about the story was from my

1242
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:22,320
editor who called me while I was on the

1243
01:02:29,900 --> 01:02:24,210
author to her and said Ridley I have

1244
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:29,910
good news and bad news I said bad news

1245
01:02:35,690 --> 01:02:33,210
first he said no no it won't work the

1246
01:02:37,099 --> 01:02:35,700
good news first is that now everybody in

1247
01:02:40,849 --> 01:02:37,109
william morrow believes you're telling

1248
01:02:43,390 --> 01:02:40,859
the truth he said but the bad news is

1249
01:02:55,690 --> 01:02:43,400
the aliens think you're an idiot

1250
01:03:02,630 --> 01:02:58,490
anyway Bruce passed my detector tests I

1251
01:03:05,870 --> 01:03:02,640
told the the operator of the machine who

1252
01:03:08,780 --> 01:03:05,880
had I said look this guy's got to be

1253
01:03:10,849 --> 01:03:08,790
telling a fib this man did lie-detector

1254
01:03:13,609 --> 01:03:10,859
work for the New York City Police

1255
01:03:15,650 --> 01:03:13,619
Department and oh by the way as soon as

1256
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:15,660
communion came out with support from

1257
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:18,000
lie-detector tests there were story

1258
01:03:21,090 --> 01:03:20,490
after story in the newspapers about how

1259
01:03:24,330 --> 01:03:21,100
allied

1260
01:03:27,180 --> 01:03:24,340
just don't really work but now that

1261
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:27,190
that's all been forgotten if you go and

1262
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:29,200
you'll find that there are stories all

1263
01:03:33,870 --> 01:03:31,090
the time about the CIA and so forth

1264
01:03:35,490 --> 01:03:33,880
using lie detectors to determine whether

1265
01:03:38,010 --> 01:03:35,500
or not their agents are telling the

1266
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:38,020
truth and uh and that there are in

1267
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:40,480
ordinary use in police work as they have

1268
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:44,170
been for many years and they do work if

1269
01:03:48,150 --> 01:03:45,490
they're in the hands of someone who

1270
01:03:50,670 --> 01:03:48,160
knows what they're doing exactly so

1271
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:50,680
anyway I told him that this guy's got to

1272
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:53,170
be lying and after the test Bruce comes

1273
01:03:57,210 --> 01:03:54,850
to me it calls me and says you know I

1274
01:04:00,240 --> 01:03:57,220
passed that lie-detector test but that

1275
01:04:02,190 --> 01:04:00,250
guy is sadistic he practically killed me

1276
01:04:06,510 --> 01:04:02,200
because he was you know pumping up the

1277
01:04:11,030 --> 01:04:06,520
the straps and you know very challenging

1278
01:04:13,500 --> 01:04:11,040
and trying to really throw him off sad

1279
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:13,510
and he calls you the lie-detector guy

1280
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:15,760
calls me up and says look that guy's

1281
01:04:24,330 --> 01:04:21,090
telling the truth it's just so

1282
01:04:30,330 --> 01:04:24,340
incredible said I'm never coming over to

1283
01:04:31,260 --> 01:04:30,340
your house I'm telling you that's a

1284
01:04:34,350 --> 01:04:31,270
great story

1285
01:04:36,990 --> 01:04:34,360
I just love that wonderful here's a

1286
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:37,000
question for you from Lola what do you

1287
01:04:42,290 --> 01:04:39,280
think about people who introduce time

1288
01:04:46,850 --> 01:04:42,300
travel to the alien visitation phenomena

1289
01:04:54,990 --> 01:04:50,900
one bad question that's cool okay well

1290
01:04:59,580 --> 01:04:55,000
it's a good question my wife and felt

1291
01:05:02,730 --> 01:04:59,590
that this was a very essential part of

1292
01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:02,740
the whole phenomenon and she was so

1293
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:06,160
smart and so clued in to this I wouldn't

1294
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:09,370
I would suspect that that means that she

1295
01:05:16,890 --> 01:05:14,290
there's something to it we do know that

1296
01:05:20,970 --> 01:05:16,900
it's possible to move back and forth in

1297
01:05:24,030 --> 01:05:20,980
time we don't know to do the degree to

1298
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:24,040
which that's possible could you move a

1299
01:05:31,950 --> 01:05:28,810
physical entity through time I don't

1300
01:05:33,710 --> 01:05:31,960
know I had before any of this close

1301
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:33,720
encounter stuff happened

1302
01:05:39,140 --> 01:05:36,570
I had a haunting experience on a street

1303
01:05:41,210 --> 01:05:39,150
corner in New York that appeared to be a

1304
01:05:44,930 --> 01:05:41,220
movement backwards in time it was

1305
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:44,940
extremely startling it only lasted maybe

1306
01:05:51,530 --> 01:05:47,760
30 seconds but it was an amazing

1307
01:05:55,099 --> 01:05:51,540
experience and so I I do suspect that

1308
01:05:58,550 --> 01:05:55,109
it's possible to move through time and I

1309
01:06:02,960 --> 01:05:58,560
wouldn't be at all surprised if in some

1310
01:06:05,030 --> 01:06:02,970
way what happens to us isn't connected

1311
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:05,040
with that and I'll give you a precise

1312
01:06:11,030 --> 01:06:08,730
example there is something called the

1313
01:06:13,970 --> 01:06:11,040
principle of least action in physics

1314
01:06:17,089 --> 01:06:13,980
this means that when water travels down

1315
01:06:20,410 --> 01:06:17,099
a hillside it never takes a detour to go

1316
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:20,420
up it always seeks the lowest possible

1317
01:06:27,970 --> 01:06:24,690
easiest possible route and in physics

1318
01:06:32,180 --> 01:06:27,980
and in in reality everything always

1319
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:32,190
tries to do to expend the least possible

1320
01:06:37,609 --> 01:06:34,890
amount of energy to reach whatever its

1321
01:06:42,349 --> 01:06:37,619
goal is to whatever it has to do this

1322
01:06:43,820 --> 01:06:42,359
means that the grandfather paradox which

1323
01:06:46,550 --> 01:06:43,830
would appear to make time travel

1324
01:06:48,109 --> 01:06:46,560
impossible that is if you could travel

1325
01:06:52,070 --> 01:06:48,119
through time you can go back and kill

1326
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:52,080
your own grandfather can't work because

1327
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:53,609
the principle of least action will

1328
01:06:58,280 --> 01:06:56,490
always prevent you from doing that from

1329
01:07:02,780 --> 01:06:58,290
doing anything that would affect your

1330
01:07:07,099 --> 01:07:02,790
present your reality this would mean

1331
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:07,109
that time travelers might have to work

1332
01:07:14,750 --> 01:07:11,970
very hard to affect their own pasts too

1333
01:07:18,980 --> 01:07:14,760
so to speak trick the grandfather

1334
01:07:21,770 --> 01:07:18,990
paradox into not realizing that they are

1335
01:07:24,770 --> 01:07:21,780
from the future one of the best ways you

1336
01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:24,780
might be able to do that would be to be

1337
01:07:31,609 --> 01:07:27,839
something that didn't actually exist at

1338
01:07:34,609 --> 01:07:31,619
all aliens so it's a fabulous question

1339
01:07:36,890 --> 01:07:34,619
and I leave the listener to wonder just

1340
01:07:40,250 --> 01:07:36,900
as Annie and I did and as I do now and

1341
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:40,260
I'm sure she does as well what the heck

1342
01:07:47,150 --> 01:07:44,720
does it mean I have asked her in this

1343
01:07:50,290 --> 01:07:47,160
afterlife state and

1344
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:50,300
not received an answer to that question

1345
01:07:57,980 --> 01:07:54,960
interesting interesting fascinating are

1346
01:08:02,600 --> 01:07:57,990
you familiar with Li with Robin Freud's

1347
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:02,610
work and the afterlife investigations no

1348
01:08:08,420 --> 01:08:05,760
I might be I but it doesn't come to my

1349
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:08,430
everything about the only reason I am

1350
01:08:13,970 --> 01:08:10,410
bringing that forward is because they

1351
01:08:16,220 --> 01:08:13,980
had some time-travel things go on I'm

1352
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:16,230
gonna send you some information about it

1353
01:08:19,940 --> 01:08:18,090
and for everybody in our audience that's

1354
01:08:22,130 --> 01:08:19,950
listening we have done several

1355
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:22,140
interviews with Robin for you might want

1356
01:08:28,220 --> 01:08:24,480
to look them up on our archives but it's

1357
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:28,230
they also encountered the blue man which

1358
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:32,010
they had a photograph of so that also

1359
01:08:39,140 --> 01:08:35,040
made me feel assured blue figures Yeah

1360
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:39,150
right there they're the ones that I

1361
01:08:44,300 --> 01:08:41,370
ended up with all the time I mean

1362
01:08:48,590 --> 01:08:44,310
they're the one yeah they they they came

1363
01:08:50,500 --> 01:08:48,600
to we have a country house I don't have

1364
01:08:52,580 --> 01:08:50,510
it it belongs to my family and the

1365
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:52,590
visitors have been coming there the

1366
01:08:59,660 --> 01:08:56,930
short blue figures for many years and

1367
01:09:01,970 --> 01:08:59,670
mostly I'm the one they come to that I

1368
01:09:03,650 --> 01:09:01,980
they very rarely on one or two occasions

1369
01:09:10,100 --> 01:09:03,660
they've come to other members of the

1370
01:09:13,700 --> 01:09:10,110
family but I was I got some of the

1371
01:09:16,250 --> 01:09:13,710
government people together because it it

1372
01:09:16,970 --> 01:09:16,260
became clear that they would show up at

1373
01:09:21,020 --> 01:09:16,980
the house

1374
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:21,030
if these people came the people all

1375
01:09:25,610 --> 01:09:23,010
chickened out at the last minute they

1376
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:25,620
they they suspected some kind of

1377
01:09:30,890 --> 01:09:28,050
something was up and they were afraid

1378
01:09:33,290 --> 01:09:30,900
and they didn't come but my aunt and I

1379
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:33,300
were there and they these beings showed

1380
01:09:40,090 --> 01:09:37,770
up these dark blue figures and so you

1381
01:09:42,890 --> 01:09:40,100
know they are very physical very

1382
01:09:45,470 --> 01:09:42,900
definitely I'm not surprised someone you

1383
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:45,480
take a picture of them how I wish that

1384
01:09:52,010 --> 01:09:50,130
someone was me be sure to send you this

1385
01:09:55,670 --> 01:09:52,020
information I think you will find it

1386
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:55,680
fascinating given how your experiences

1387
01:10:00,150 --> 01:09:57,360
have have happened over so many years

1388
01:10:02,060 --> 01:10:00,160
and your perspective on all of this

1389
01:10:05,250 --> 01:10:02,070
so here's another question see people

1390
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:05,260
loved you love your books they loved the

1391
01:10:11,250 --> 01:10:07,690
movie communion and here is a question

1392
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:11,260
from Dave Savini who says excuse me hi

1393
01:10:16,650 --> 01:10:14,080
Whitley do you think your story has

1394
01:10:18,780 --> 01:10:16,660
passed enough time to our Hollywood

1395
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:18,790
would consider doing a reboot of the

1396
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:20,560
original movie see people want to see

1397
01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:23,290
this again oh I would love that

1398
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:27,040
and there is some interest definitely

1399
01:10:33,060 --> 01:10:30,730
now and I think that that maybe

1400
01:10:36,450 --> 01:10:33,070
something along those lines will happen

1401
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:36,460
that'd be wonderful Elsa yeah because

1402
01:10:40,410 --> 01:10:38,650
that was a great movie with Christopher

1403
01:10:43,230 --> 01:10:40,420
Walken it's I have to tell you though I

1404
01:10:45,540 --> 01:10:43,240
don't scare easily but that movie it got

1405
01:10:48,540 --> 01:10:45,550
to me got under my skin I had nightmares

1406
01:10:50,910 --> 01:10:48,550
for three nights it was great so I

1407
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:50,920
totally hope that this turn sent you

1408
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:53,410
either a television project a series or

1409
01:10:58,800 --> 01:10:56,650
another feature boom and you yeah and

1410
01:11:02,010 --> 01:10:58,810
you have so much more to add to the

1411
01:11:04,380 --> 01:11:02,020
story because you've lived it yes this

1412
01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:04,390
is because my life we haven't even

1413
01:11:07,950 --> 01:11:06,310
talked about the implant in my left ear

1414
01:11:10,890 --> 01:11:07,960
which I use all the time as a

1415
01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:10,900
communications tool and for many many

1416
01:11:17,310 --> 01:11:13,840
other things you know about this implant

1417
01:11:20,820 --> 01:11:17,320
well it was put in in May of 1989 by two

1418
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:20,830
people a man and woman not aliens as far

1419
01:11:27,570 --> 01:11:23,010
as I could tell who came into my bedroom

1420
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:27,580
overpowered me immobilized me and began

1421
01:11:31,980 --> 01:11:30,250
pressing against the side Preston the

1422
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:31,990
side of my head down into the bedclothes

1423
01:11:41,610 --> 01:11:38,170
and the next afternoon I could feel a

1424
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:41,620
lump in there and it was sore there was

1425
01:11:48,420 --> 01:11:45,130
no opening it had not been in other

1426
01:11:52,440 --> 01:11:48,430
words it hadn't been put in in any

1427
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:52,450
normal way I can to occasionally turn on

1428
01:11:59,820 --> 01:11:56,530
in the ear would turn bright red and it

1429
01:12:01,830 --> 01:11:59,830
would make a funny noise in my ear I

1430
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:01,840
ended up at the Southwest Research

1431
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:05,440
Institute in Texas with dr. William

1432
01:12:10,410 --> 01:12:07,570
mallow the head of material science

1433
01:12:12,060 --> 01:12:10,420
there one time when it turned on and my

1434
01:12:13,890 --> 01:12:12,070
ear turned bright red and he rushed me

1435
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:13,900
into a signals acquisition lab

1436
01:12:20,370 --> 01:12:17,760
and I found out just a few months ago

1437
01:12:22,050 --> 01:12:20,380
and about a year ago that they had

1438
01:12:24,930 --> 01:12:22,060
indeed acquired a signal and the signal

1439
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:24,940
is still to this day under study because

1440
01:12:33,750 --> 01:12:30,010
it was a very unusual signal over time I

1441
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:33,760
gradually learned to use the implant I

1442
01:12:39,210 --> 01:12:36,850
can use it as a research tool I can use

1443
01:12:44,010 --> 01:12:39,220
in a lot of different ways and the

1444
01:12:46,710 --> 01:12:44,020
implant will what happens is when I'm

1445
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:46,720
working with it a kind of slit opens up

1446
01:12:52,410 --> 01:12:48,850
in my left eye or sometimes in the right

1447
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:52,420
but usually in the left eye and like

1448
01:12:59,160 --> 01:12:54,970
what looked like typed words go racing

1449
01:13:01,110 --> 01:12:59,170
past in this slit very quickly and if I

1450
01:13:03,570 --> 01:13:01,120
it's like riding a bicycle if I try to

1451
01:13:07,260 --> 01:13:03,580
read them I get nothing out of it but if

1452
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:07,270
I just relax and let it happen all kinds

1453
01:13:13,170 --> 01:13:09,760
of information that I'm or whatever I'm

1454
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:13,180
working on a given moment comes into my

1455
01:13:18,690 --> 01:13:16,090
mind and it's wonderful and I'm really

1456
01:13:22,380 --> 01:13:18,700
it's as I say it's like riding a bicycle

1457
01:13:25,830 --> 01:13:22,390
I've learned to use it and it doesn't

1458
01:13:30,420 --> 01:13:25,840
control my mind if it had controlled my

1459
01:13:41,910 --> 01:13:30,430
mind my wife would have told me she say

1460
01:13:47,370 --> 01:13:41,920
your mind is an attempt was made to take

1461
01:13:49,890 --> 01:13:47,380
it out and well the doctor opened it up

1462
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:49,900
and he could see a white disc in here

1463
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:52,000
mm-hm and when he touched the edge of it

1464
01:13:58,140 --> 01:13:54,850
with this scalpel it went down into my

1465
01:14:00,180 --> 01:13:58,150
earlobe and so he closed up the incision

1466
01:14:01,860 --> 01:14:00,190
and said you know I can't I'd have to

1467
01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:01,870
cut your entire ear off to get rid of

1468
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:06,490
this so but he did get a little sliver

1469
01:14:13,740 --> 01:14:10,320
of it which he sent to pathology and the

1470
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:13,750
pathologist called him up and said is

1471
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:16,330
this a joke he said no it came out of a

1472
01:14:21,060 --> 01:14:18,640
patient's ear he said because this is

1473
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:21,070
not something of nature this is

1474
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:24,130
technology it has you what you've showed

1475
01:14:27,690 --> 01:14:26,290
God sent me here as a sliver of a

1476
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:27,700
metallic

1477
01:14:39,090 --> 01:14:36,840
anyway about three days later my ear

1478
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:39,100
started to burn like crazy and it went

1479
01:14:45,450 --> 01:14:41,650
back up to where it is this day and

1480
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:45,460
Annie said my advice is do not press

1481
01:14:49,380 --> 01:14:47,440
this matter I would not try to get it

1482
01:14:50,730 --> 01:14:49,390
out again and I said I agree with you I

1483
01:14:59,160 --> 01:14:50,740
have no intention of getting it out

1484
01:15:01,650 --> 01:14:59,170
trying to get it out so it was people

1485
01:15:03,810 --> 01:15:01,660
who did this who overpowered you they

1486
01:15:06,510 --> 01:15:03,820
looked human they were people yeah oh

1487
01:15:08,610 --> 01:15:06,520
and yeah I was yeah and I've tried hard

1488
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:08,620
to find out who they may have been and

1489
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:10,000
who they may have been working with the

1490
01:15:13,260 --> 01:15:11,920
way it happened was I was lying in bed

1491
01:15:16,410 --> 01:15:13,270
it was a May night

1492
01:15:19,890 --> 01:15:16,420
it was warm and we had a gravel driveway

1493
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:19,900
and it was about 11 o'clock at night and

1494
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:25,450
a gate big gate closed the driveway some

1495
01:15:29,790 --> 01:15:27,610
distance from the house but I suddenly

1496
01:15:31,860 --> 01:15:29,800
heard crunching in the driveway the

1497
01:15:35,610 --> 01:15:31,870
crunching of tires on the gravel and

1498
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:35,620
there was no lights out there - very bad

1499
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:37,920
pieces of news first

1500
01:15:43,620 --> 01:15:40,810
gravel second no lights

1501
01:15:46,530 --> 01:15:43,630
rule of thumb nobody who comes to see

1502
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:46,540
you no fan who shows up after about 10

1503
01:15:52,530 --> 01:15:48,010
o'clock at night is ever gonna be good

1504
01:15:55,860 --> 01:15:52,540
news so I was frightened I had a Benelli

1505
01:15:59,220 --> 01:15:55,870
riot gun under the bed but an AMG backup

1506
01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:59,230
pistol in the drawer light switches in

1507
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:01,120
the drawer beside the bed a bank of

1508
01:16:05,790 --> 01:16:03,520
light switches which I could turn on all

1509
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:05,800
at once it would completely surround the

1510
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:08,050
house with floodlights and an active

1511
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:11,440
alarm system that was turned on and I

1512
01:16:16,260 --> 01:16:14,560
suddenly noticed movement at the foot of

1513
01:16:18,750 --> 01:16:16,270
the bed while I was reading the reading

1514
01:16:20,430 --> 01:16:18,760
light was on I looked up and there stood

1515
01:16:24,420 --> 01:16:20,440
these two people this man and this woman

1516
01:16:26,940 --> 01:16:24,430
that fast oh my god yeah and they I bet

1517
01:16:29,580 --> 01:16:26,950
I heard the backyard a male voice say

1518
01:16:32,370 --> 01:16:29,590
condition read and the man and woman

1519
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:32,380
came rushing toward me I started to go

1520
01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:34,330
for the lights at first before I

1521
01:16:39,090 --> 01:16:36,880
realized entirely what was going on then

1522
01:16:41,729 --> 01:16:39,100
I was bending over to go for the Benelli

1523
01:16:44,009 --> 01:16:41,739
for the riot gun when they got a whole

1524
01:16:46,620 --> 01:16:44,019
move me and flop me down onto the bed I

1525
01:16:49,799 --> 01:16:46,630
became unable to move and they did their

1526
01:16:53,339 --> 01:16:49,809
business Wow good grief

1527
01:16:57,779 --> 01:16:53,349
right into my skin without even leaving

1528
01:16:59,759 --> 01:16:57,789
a cut and then they left there was a big

1529
01:17:02,910 --> 01:16:59,769
flash of light a great deal of crashing

1530
01:17:05,009 --> 01:17:02,920
in the woods I got the pistol out and

1531
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:05,019
went racing through the house looking

1532
01:17:10,770 --> 01:17:07,570
for some breach of the alarm system

1533
01:17:13,709 --> 01:17:10,780
which was still on and I'm not it had

1534
01:17:16,620 --> 01:17:13,719
not tripped the house was entirely

1535
01:17:20,459 --> 01:17:16,630
sealed everything was fine so I ended up

1536
01:17:22,799 --> 01:17:20,469
sitting on the bedside thinking I just

1537
01:17:24,839 --> 01:17:22,809
can't imagine that that was a dream but

1538
01:17:26,459 --> 01:17:24,849
I don't have any other explanation for

1539
01:17:28,649 --> 01:17:26,469
and it was until the next day when

1540
01:17:36,509 --> 01:17:28,659
various things happen and it became

1541
01:17:40,169 --> 01:17:36,519
obvious that it was no dream good quite

1542
01:17:42,089 --> 01:17:40,179
an exciting exciting life and we're so

1543
01:17:43,470 --> 01:17:42,099
glad you came on the show tonight thank

1544
01:17:45,509 --> 01:17:43,480
you so much

1545
01:17:47,729 --> 01:17:45,519
well thank you been a real pleasure

1546
01:17:50,910 --> 01:17:47,739
genuinely and and thank you listeners

1547
01:17:52,319 --> 01:17:50,920
for such cool questions yes absolutely

1548
01:17:55,379 --> 01:17:52,329
we've got the best audience in the world

1549
01:17:58,649 --> 01:17:55,389
yes we do we think and again the names

1550
01:18:03,540 --> 01:17:58,659
of your books afterlife revolution on

1551
01:18:10,259 --> 01:18:03,550
amazon.com and supernatural that's right

1552
01:18:12,930 --> 01:18:10,269
yes yes and we will be back next week

1553
01:18:13,589 --> 01:18:12,940
until then we'll see you on the blue

1554
01:18:16,669 --> 01:18:13,599
Highway

1555
01:18:18,130 --> 01:18:16,679
send us your prayer requests yes please